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Hello, we are back. We are back. Another episode of Graffiti Park Radio. We are here with Dan and Dan and Miss Anika Jones. Well, hello.

Anika Jones 0:55
Hattie,

Dan Moloney 0:56
howdy. Hello, hello. We're good to be back in the studio. It's been a a little bit, but we are excited to be back. So we'll jump into it. We are today. We are joined by none other. Joyce Rainbow, yes. Hello,

that's her real name. Hello, Joyce. She is a muralist and illustrator based in Las Vegas, Nevada. Her vibrant work explores themes of nature and ocean conservation, the human form and colorful surrealism with a bold, edgy twist. Joyce's murals and illustrations can be spotted on walls and utility boxes throughout Clark County, and she often live paints at music festivals across the Southwest. A former slot machine illustrator, and university instructor Joyce now shares her creative techniques through both in-person and online workshops, her work combines technical skill with imaginative storytelling, leaving a lasting impression wherever it's seen. Hi, Joyce. How are you?

Joyce Rainbow 1:50
Hi there. Doing great. Thanks for having me today.

Dan Moloney 1:53
Of course, our pleasure. Our pleasure. Took that right off your website. So if you want to read that yourself. You may find that at Joyce Rainbow's website. But thanks for thanks for coming in today. That's it's so it's a joy to have you. Have you been on a podcast before?

Joyce Rainbow 2:11
Nothing this official, you know. So this is a first time. Yes, there is.

Dan Moloney 2:16
You know, there is a sound check involved. Sean is running around here, but but yeah, we are we are stoked to have you today, and you are a fan of Graffiti Park Radio, as I understand. I

Joyce Rainbow 2:28
am, yes, I love listening to podcasts while I paint, and it helps a day go by. And Graffiti Park Radio is one of them. So love learning about artists within the community.

Dan Bulgatz 2:40
Awesome, love it. Do you have a favorite episode so far?

Joyce Rainbow 2:44
Oh gosh, I can't just pick a favorite. I mean, there's so many great artists out there, but I mean, it's it's nice to know like a little bit more about the artists that I've already met, and even the ones that I'm about to meet. So yeah,

Dan Moloney 3:01
yeah. It helps to it even for us, you know, no pun intended. Provides a little color to the whole absolutely, absolutely, you know. But yeah, so obviously, as as hearing, you know, a fan of the podcast and hearing those different episodes, you kind of know what we may have in store, what we're going to dive into, but it's really your journey. You can take it. You can take it however you'd like. So based out of Las Vegas, we were chatting a little bit in the lobby beforehand. But just tell us, you know, however long you want to spend on it. Like, where are you from originally? How'd you get started in art?

Joyce Rainbow 3:37
Yeah. So I am originally from San Francisco. Okay. And yeah, Bay Area. I've been out here in Vegas since about 2005, so good, like 20. What is that? 22 years or so. But I've I've always just enjoyed making art as a kid, and I I know that I went to Boys and Girls Club after school, and that was kind of what helped me get more into art. There was like an art room in there, and the instructor there was like, "Hey, I see your potential. I got the the good pencils out for you. Let's see what you can do with them. So help me get a little bit more training and rendering out there as well. Although I didn't really consider it as a professional career for a while until about high school, because I wanted to get into like more medical sciences and stuff. But I took chemistry, and I was like, okay, screw that. I'm just going to be an artist. Yeah, from there, I just took like AP classes in art, and it was it was a really great teacher at the school helped me out and in college I kind of bounced around between different concentrations like I didn't know if I wanted to do illustration or dabbled in photography for a little bit and eventually settled on graphic design so graduated. In about oh what year did I graduate? I don't even remember, but

Dan Bulgatz 5:05
happens that way. Yeah, I'm like

Joyce Rainbow 5:07
1010 plus years ago, probably like 2012, I think. But from there, I I went straight into a variety of careers in my 20s. I did app design or user interface design, which I still do on the side a bit, and I worked for a magazine company. I did, as you mentioned in the bio, I was a slot machine artist, so I did that for four years. I I vended at various craft shows and conventions, and I was also a university instructor here at UNLV,

Dan Moloney 5:42
proud rebel, go Rebs! Is that is that where you went to school here at

Joyce Rainbow 5:47
UNLV? It is yes. So I was that's where I got my bachelor's. I also did an internship here, and then I came back 10 years later to teach for a bit. Nice, that's awesome.

Anika Jones 5:57
That's incredible. Can we get into this slot machine? Absolutely. Explain that. Give us some details on that.

Joyce Rainbow 6:03
I know it's like people are like, "Whoa, that's a that's a career. But so if you hear the buffalo machines out on the floor,

Dan Moloney 6:13
absolutely.

Joyce Rainbow 6:13
I got to work on one of them, and I worked for a I worked for a Bristocrat, and they did a bunch of machines out on the floor. I worked for one of the smaller studios, and I got to work on games, both licensed and proprietary titles such as Buffalo, but also like Walking Dead, Sons of Anarchy. So it was just really cool being able to work on games that I was familiar with, and I got to do a little bit of everything, like some illustration, some motion graphics, some graphic design, some video editing. So it really expanded my skill set while I was there.

Dan Moloney 6:50
That's so cool. How like how big is a team? You know, is it like you and a couple other people, or is it going through a whole gamut of like this person? Yeah, this person's got to yeah, yeah.

Joyce Rainbow 7:04
Well, our studio, I think it grew. It was between like 16 and 25 people, so I think our art teams there was like myself and seven other artists or so. But there are some studios that are like 100 people, like really big.

Dan Moloney 7:20
And so I'm sorry we're staying on this. This is just no. I mean, exactly, yeah. Because you always see, you know, you're for those are listening that may not be from Las Vegas, like you know, you're just inundated with this. Well, all these different games, like you said, proprietary, unlicensed. You know, yeah, Monopoly dude, the Superman. Yeah, you know, all these different ones, right? And so, when you think about that, like, it's it's interesting not thinking about the, especially in our world, the art piece that goes behind that. How long would those types of projects take?

Joyce Rainbow 7:55
It'd probably be between like six to eight months. Okay. Yeah, it depends. Sure.

Dan Moloney 8:03
And so, like Aristocrat and those types of companies reach out to these studios and then contract them to like build out. Oh, we were a

Joyce Rainbow 8:09
studio in Oh, yeah. So a lot of these companies have like studio. I would imagine. Yeah.

Dan Moloney 8:14
Yeah. Wow.

Anika Jones 8:15
Now this might be a total curveball I'm throwing you, but what sort of degree or major would a student have going into that sort of profession? Would that be more gaming? Would that be illustration? Would that be a couple of different disciplines, or how?

Joyce Rainbow 8:30
Really, with jobs like that, it's all portfolio based. Wow.

So, yeah, that's that's what I would suggest for anyone wanting to get into like a career in the arts. It's a lot of it is based off of portfolio, and if you do go to school for that, make sure that your work is geared towards it being into a portfolio.

Anika Jones 8:49
Wow! Well, that never changes, even though technology. Yeah, yeah.

Dan Bulgatz 8:53
And so, was that something like you slowly started building your portfolio or your CV to get into that? Was that skills that you learned? It was totally unexpected. Yeah, it was totally

Joyce Rainbow 9:01
unexpected. Like honestly, I went into that interview and I, I didn't even know what I was because I just applied for a bunch of jobs and I was like, I don't even know what this company is. But I, I had my physical portfolio of drawings and graphic design that I always had with me ever since I graduated, because that was the advice that I was given, is to have something with you, physical to bring in. So I just had that prepared, and I was like, "Oh, wow, this is like kind of a big deal, actually. Yeah. So I I got pretty lucky. I joined through like an externship program, so they accepted people who were newly graduated within like two years or so. That's so cool. Very cool.

Anika Jones 9:45
Very cool.

Dan Moloney 9:46
That's just another example of like a just a pathway of like you're saying you don't know where it's going to take you. You know, it's like you know, Tiki was talking to us about like the designs at the different stores he was working at, like for guests and everything. Yeah, and it was just like product design. It's like his background, you know. Not to talk about another episode, but just kind of interesting how those different pathways happen because and the

Anika Jones 10:09
opportunity available too. Yeah,

Dan Bulgatz 10:10
and they're almost never like streamlined like that. You know, as I feel like the majority of the artists that we've talked to, and you may be included in this, like you start out almost as graphite, and then you just kind of find what speaks to you exactly, and then you follow down that path until you can't anymore. Until you look for something different. And so, what was that journey like for you? I guess is like how did you find ultimately graphic design was more important, or that you liked it more, say, than like the photography aspect of it, or like the illustration pieces earlier, or the building blocks?

Joyce Rainbow 10:40
Yeah. So I, I was. really sure. I just wanted like some job stability coming out of college, so that was you know more of an obvious choice. And was photography? Oh my goodness! I had a gig as a wedding photographer for my friend who got married, and I was like, wow, this is really exhausting, and you have to talk to a lot of people, and I'm very awkward about that. So I'm like, I'd much rather just do something a little bit more introverted. So I was like, that was I respect the work that photographers put in, but not for me. Yeah, and the

Anika Jones 11:16
urgency of wanting to get the photos back. Yeah, and

Dan Moloney 11:19
you got to rile the people, and they've been. Shout out to wedding photographers. Yeah.

Wow, that's so cool. Dan mentioned like a pref. Do you have? I'm curious. Like, do you have a preference of like a medium that? And two part question. I'll ask you the first one first. Seeing like being that you've been in the graphic design world for several years now, like how has the evolution of tools like changed or impacted how you go into things? Like I'm sure, like Illustrator, and obviously now there's like Canva, and not to mention the whole AI world. Like how has that impacted how you approach graphic design projects versus when you first started doing them,

Joyce Rainbow 12:02
right? So I I see them as two separate fields: graphic design and illustration. You know, they're both creative fields, but one focuses more on the function, which is you know graphic design. And as I mentioned too, I still do a little bit of that today with app design and stuff. But that I feel more is psychology forward or function forward, whereas with illustration, it's a little bit more visual based and it's a little bit more emotive and based off of putting that esthetic first. And as far as tools go, yeah, with the evolution with graphic design and app design. I, you know, Figma is more of the the industry leading program right now. And as far as illustration goes, I actually started out like my graphic design background was Neopets and MySpace. You know, millennials here, but yeah, now I just prefer using for digital illustration Procreate, and that is an app on the iPad. And I just love being mobile with my tools, you know. And I still use that today in conjunction with any like I prefer traditional medium, honestly. So I use that in conjunction with making mockups and doing design, you know, presentations before I take it onto the traditional canvas.

Anika Jones 13:28
Yeah, yeah. So

Dan Moloney 13:29
you'll start like traditional pen or pencil paper, and then work that into Procreate. You know,

Joyce Rainbow 13:35
sometimes it it goes both ways. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Depending on how I feel. Like if I do want to execute something, like maybe I'll do a little sketch in my sketchbook and then I'll bring it to Procreate. Or what I do more now because I just prefer working with traditional medium. I'll do those sketches and those color choices in Procreate, and then I'll bring them onto the canvas. Oh, okay, that's cool. That's awesome. I'm using

Dan Bulgatz 13:58
Procreate as like a drawing method or is your sketchbook to yeah yeah work concepts

Dan Moloney 14:03
out yeah yeah it's

Joyce Rainbow 14:04
just so much easier to like test out the colors and you don't have to like use your paints up and stuff like that so I just prefer that yeah that is definitely

Dan Moloney 14:13
the leading tool that we use internally to procreate

Dan Bulgatz 14:17
yeah and was it always that way or did you start off you know obviously just pen paper sketches, and then as the technology has kind of gotten better and as it's evolved, that's kind of become like now more the the focus, I guess. You know, it's

Joyce Rainbow 14:32
really funny because a lot of my background was more digital and using stuff like Photoshop. And back in the day, there was a program called Fireworks. That's what I use. It was Macromida program, but yeah, I I started out digitally, but it was not until I think like 2016 17 where I focused more on traditional work, and now it's like kind of backwards. With like a lot of people's progression too, a lot of people start off traditionally and then they go digitally, but mine was more of like the opposite way.

Dan Moloney 15:07
That's cool.

Anika Jones 15:08
Was there anything in particular that channeled that? Was it like maybe oversaturation of like social media and what people are doing online that made you go the opposite way? Or

Joyce Rainbow 15:18
I think I just found that I loved the feel and the texture of of working traditionally, and I think too was just being a little burnt out from doing a lot of a lot of digital based work. That it was just so refreshing. It was like being out in the trees, so to say. Gotcha. When switching over to traditional,

Dan Moloney 15:41
that's cool. And I would imagine, as you were just saying, after you you're able to blend those two skills together. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's so cool. When did you make? Because Joyce has done a mural with us, and as we mentioned in the bio, she's done a bunch of murals around town and on utility boxes. So, kind of coming out of this graphic design slot machine illustrator piece, when did you start considering or thinking about murals? Was that something maybe you had done before?

Joyce Rainbow 16:11
Yeah. So I let's see. I quit my slot machine job in 2019. That's when I wanted to pursue art full time.

Dan Moloney 16:21
Okay,

Joyce Rainbow 16:22
and I was still in. I'm gonna pause there real quick. What made

Dan Moloney 16:25
you? What what was the deciding factor for you to jump into that?

Joyce Rainbow 16:30
I just wanted to start running my own business. Yeah, started wanting to do my own thing. I was like, you know, I learned a lot here at the office environment, but it's time for me to just go off on my own. Very cool. I just felt it, so that's awesome. It's scary, but but yeah, love it. So yeah, between then and doing murals, I you know like COVID happened shortly after, and so I went into the Twitch space actually right before that happened, and all I knew is that right after I quit my job, I was like the number one thing I wanted to focus on if I'm going to be an independently run artist is my skills. Like I'm gonna go straight to the fundamentals, and I'm gonna focus on that because I'm all about like solidifying the things that are, you know, fundamental to growth as an artist. So I took an anatomy book and I went on Twitch and I was like, I did a little like learn with me thing, where I was learning fundamentals and at the same time I was like gaining viewership. So I did Twitch for about two years. Yeah, did that pretty consistently, and then once things started opening up again, that's when I went back into vending, and then all that was cool. But I wanted to. I found that a lot of that stuff I don't really get to focus on doing my own thing as much, especially with vending. It's a lot of you know packing and carrying stuff around and doing all this commercial stuff. So I think it wasn't until about late 2024 that's when I got my first Zap project. And for those of you who don't know, Zap is the program that Clark County puts out for utility boxes, and I just fell in love with it. Like I'm like I'm here and I'm painting and I'm learning as I'm painting, and this is what I want to do. And I just love painting big. Like every time I go into a life drawing class or something, I'm always drawing big, like bigger than the paper. So I'm like I just I love drawing big. I love painting big, and I've just I've just been in love with it ever since.

Anika Jones 18:41
That's fantastic. That's so

Dan Moloney 18:42
cool. And then I think one of our first interactions were like art the workshops we were hosting, right? So how to tell us about how did you find that and how was that experience? Yeah,

Joyce Rainbow 18:54
that's. I think this is a really fun story. So we went on our honeymoon was in 2022. Yes, that was in Amsterdam. So there is this place in Amsterdam called the Strat Museum, Street Art Museum. Amazing place. If you go to Amsterdam, you gotta go. You take a little ferry to get over there, and so it's this giant museum filled with like street art, giant canvases. But right next to that museum is just this open lot where anyone can go with their spray cans and just paint. And I was like, "This is so cool! This is just what I've always wanted to do. So I came back home, and I think a few months later, I texted Dan and I was like, "Hey, I like I looked up Graffiti Park, so I I googled like Graffiti Park because it was like a Graffiti Park. So and I saw your number and texted you like, Hey, do you have any walls? I love

Wesley Knight 19:55
it.

Joyce Rainbow 19:56
And you were like, "Oh, I don't have any yet, but we plan." In the future, so I was like, okay, cool. So I just followed you guys and saw you guys were up too. I was like, oh, cool. You guys are like, you know, doing classes and doing all this stuff. And so I was like, might as well check it out because this is like the field that I want to get into. And it's just cool seeing how much you guys have grown since then because now you have like your your store and you know you have like your new location and everything like that, and you're you're starting to get those walls up too for people to practice. So, and I've also met other like muralists through your communities, and where I've able I've been able to practice and use those walls. So

Dan Moloney 20:33
that's awesome.

Joyce Rainbow 20:33
Yeah, very thankful for that. No, that's so amazing. And

Dan Bulgatz 20:36
weird enough, my sister actually lives out in Amsterdam.

Joyce Rainbow 20:39
Oh, okay. Married an

Dan Bulgatz 20:40
Irishman. They've been living there for six years now, four years, five years, something like that, something along the lines. But it's funny because I went to that same strap museum, and my sister was like, "Hey, there's this, this, this, and so there are graffiti park stickers all over that place. Do

Joyce Rainbow 20:55
you know the open area that I'm talking about? Yeah, right there on the back side. And so the

Dan Bulgatz 20:59
cool part about that Strat Museum is, it ended up like it was like a fishing dock. They used all rise utilized all of those for shipping containers, and it was a port that things came through. And eventually, they turned all of these giant warehouses like into smaller warehouses. So they would build smaller locations inside of them, and they're slowly starting to open up some of the different activations. And so there's a Banksy Museum over there. There's all sorts of cool stuff, and so they are uniquely positioned. I've been over there. We've talked to them, and so how cool of a story, I guess, is great to come back over this way. And I think they all just somehow co-align. So I want to say here and on air, Joyce. It's been a pleasure working with you. Like it's so great to have you in our collective. Like I hope that you know you've seen kind of the growth from our first workshops there, yeah, or Boys and Girls Club rather to you know now we're where we're going and just thank you for being a part of this yeah and for googling us that day. That's yeah, likewise.

Dan Moloney 21:51
Yeah, I think I I was doing a deep dive on Las Vegas art Reddit. Try try to see and I saw you had like an interaction. You were asking like, hey, where can I go? This is in like 2022. Okay, and you were on Reddit and like Becca, who's also been on the podcast, she was like, oh, check out Graffiti Park. They do so. It's kind of funny how things come full circle like three, four years later, you know, to see what's going on. But you know, as it's start of summer, it's beautiful outside right now. Perfect, perfect

Anika Jones 22:20
weather. 25 and sunny. A high of

Dan Moloney 22:22
109 today. So if you're listening this in October, whenever this releases, enjoy that weather. What do you got? That being said, what do you have going on? What are you working on this summer?

Joyce Rainbow 22:36
Yeah, so I I did a lot of mural work more in the spring when the weather was a lot more decent, but so I'm taking this time to redo my website actually. Oh, nice! So I'm planning on releasing that next week. Oh, and right now it's more e-commerce based, so I have like my vending products up there. It'll still be up there, but I do want to make it more mural and painting forward. So nice, yeah. Next week, all my mural work will be up there, and anyone who wants to book, or anyone who wants to contact me there, they can do so on the website.

Dan Moloney 23:11
That's awesome. That's awesome. Yes, there's a mural inquiry form on there for Joyce. I was looking at that earlier. Are you doing that yourself?

Joyce Rainbow 23:18
Yes.

Dan Moloney 23:20
Look at you go. What do you? What so impressed them? The

Dan Bulgatz 23:22
website world is yeah. The website. What tool

Dan Moloney 23:25
are you using? Like shopping. Oh, I'm just

Joyce Rainbow 23:27
I'm I'm on Wix, but like, and it's so much easier now. I mean, honestly, I I actually was really into making websites when I was younger, just like a really random hobby. But this was like the HTML like coding days, MySpace layouts and stuff like that. So now it's just like drag and drop elements. So much easier. Nice.

Dan Moloney 23:51
Yeah, we're going through that.

Anika Jones 23:52
Oh,

Dan Moloney 23:53
it's a fun time.

Joyce Rainbow 23:55
Yeah. Well, and

Dan Bulgatz 23:57
to our listeners, I know you said vending. What products and services do you usually sell when you're vending, and what other mediums do you play around with? I guess.

Joyce Rainbow 24:06
Yeah, so I when I would do vending, I would go to like craft fairs, or I was a lot more into like comics and anime back then too. So that's how I got into it. But so products I would sell, I would have like stickers. I love then like holographic stickers. I do prints of various sizes. I have t-shirts and hoodies, screen printed. Some pins too. So I just like to have a variety of products and you know different price points, just different styles of work. I know that a lot of my work too would be from Dippen and Copic, so that was a lot of the stuff that I did when I was streaming on Twitch, and during that time, it was just easier to, I guess, execute when I was on stream. And but I think it's important for artists to kind of like switch around. Every once in a while, it keeps things fresh. You know, so now I'm like more into like the big like acrylic painting, and just been exploring that lately.

Dan Bulgatz 25:08
Yeah, for an artist that has been in one lane and is trying to switch out of another or learn new skills, I know you've talked about fundamentals, but do you have any other words of advice for them to grow on their own artistic journey?

Joyce Rainbow 25:20
Yeah, definitely. I would say two things. One is consistency. You know, being consistent every day for just a small amount of time goes a lot longer than just trying to slam everything in one day and get burnt out. The second thing too is community. Like, you know, reach out to your community. There are artists around you that have experience with that-that you can learn from, and both online and in person too. So

Dan Bulgatz 25:45
no, those are great piece of advice.

Dan Moloney 25:46
Yeah, that's huge. You mentioned I'm going back. I'm going back. Sorry,

Anika Jones 25:50
bringing them back.

Dan Moloney 25:51
You mentioned Boys and Girls Club. Yes. Which Boys and Girls Club did you go to? This was

Joyce Rainbow 25:56
in San Francisco. Okay, this is in San Francisco. Gotcha.

Dan Moloney 25:58
All right. What part

Anika Jones 25:59
of the Bay did you grow up in

Joyce Rainbow 26:01
Sand area of San Francisco? Okay, yeah. Okay, went to

Anika Jones 26:04
Menlo College, so not very close, but it's the Stanford Menlo College area. Very art oriented, very community oriented. Love your connection, community. Love your connection to culture. I saw that you did something at the West Las Vegas Library, and then a beautiful tribute, Filipino sort of bus, if you will. Love that. What connected you and that way to be able to highlight culture and community at the same time, and who kind of introduced you to those projects?

Joyce Rainbow 26:31
Yeah. So a couple things. So the first project with the West Las Vegas Library that was through the library district, and yeah, that was for that library opened up last fall, I believe. It's brand new. It's beautiful. You guys have to check it out. And it was yeah, I just got like a book bench, and the theme for that was discover your story. So I I have a a girl reading a book, and on the other side of the page, she's a mermaid. So it's like you know, like digging into your imagination and discovering your own story. And I have that ocean theme too because I love doing ocean theme work. And then as far as the Filipino utility boxes, so that is part of a much bigger project that is going on right now, Spring Mountain area. If you guys haven't been, it is I would say the foodie central of Las Vegas, and they're doing a redevelopment project out there right now, where there's about like 70 plus utility boxes and murals being painted out there, and they are AAPI themed, and I'm half Filipino, so I wanted to bring my culture out, and I've I've done seven boxes out there. Oh wow, that's

Dan Moloney 27:51
sweet.

Joyce Rainbow 27:52
Yeah, I was out there for all of April completing them, and yeah, there's the the Filipino jeepney, which is the the bus there that you saw, and some animals, sea life, flowers, and I have like a mango and a coconut. I I went out to the Philippines earlier this year, and I've gone before, but it was nice going out there. Was like an artistic vision, an artistic eye, so that I can bring those elements back to the project.

Anika Jones 28:18
Well, thank you so much for doing so. And some of the colors

Dan Bulgatz 28:20
too. I mean, they're beautiful there, and they're just different shades of like pinks and green. Yeah.

Dan Moloney 28:27
Well, Joyce, we are getting towards the end of our on-air segment, so we'll we'll keep this combo going for Graffiti Park after hours. But in the last like minute and a half here, if people are interested in checking out your art, where can they find you?

Joyce Rainbow 28:39
Yeah, Joyce Rainbow art everywhere. That's my website. I'm also on Instagram, trying to get back on Facebook a little bit more. Same with YouTube, but we'll see. Joyce Rainbow

Dan Moloney 28:49
Art. She'll she'll pop up for you. Redo, and by the time you're listening, exactly the website will be redone. Absolutely, yeah,

Anika Jones 28:56
very cool.

Dan Moloney 28:56
Awesome. And if you are interested in checking out this episode and what we have to say here afterwards, you can find us at Graffiti Park underscore LV on Instagram and on YouTube. We're also doing a website redesign, so check that out, graffitipark.org. I don't know when that's going to launch. It'll be there eventually. But thank you to my fellow co-hosts here, Dan, Sneaky Jones, Joyce. It's been a pleasure. I have some other questions for you, but they'll have to tune in after hours. Anything else we got? Yeah, we lost. I think that's all we got for the on-air segment.

Dan Bulgatz 29:36
Signing off. Enjoy jazz and more.

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